#S5 HMS Southampton now Gloucester - Done

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#S5 HMS Southampton now Gloucester - Done Jan 10, 2023 18:28:27 GMT

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Post by joshuphigh on Jan 10, 2023 18:28:27 GMT

I'd just like to add that since her sister Sheffield already has Destroyer Hunter, maybe something with a similar historical basis but different in-game effect like Sustained Fire or Escort Killer might be in order. (Unless DD Killer and Destroyer Hunter aren't synonymous, I don't quite remember)

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#S5 HMS Southampton now Gloucester - Done Jan 12, 2023 2:22:12 GMT via mobile

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Post by TrickiVic on Jan 12, 2023 2:22:12 GMT

That would be a good combo.

I was looking at her history on Naval History.net

www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono-06CL-Manchester.htm

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A lot of German Raider interceptions and looking at just the Town Class. Only HMS Belfast has Flagship 1. Looking at all cruisers in the game. HMS Hawkins, HMS Effingham, HMS Kent have F1. HMS Jamaica has Flotilla Leader

Sea Ablaze deck with HMS Manchester has Raider and Abandon Ship SA on it.

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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,695	#S5 HMS Southampton now Gloucester - Done Jan 28, 2023 6:28:04 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Jan 28, 2023 6:28:04 GMT HMS Southampton Ship Cruiser 1939 Speed 2 MG 8 7 7 6 SG 4 3 3 AA 7 TT 2 1 1 A4 V9 H3 DD Killer Flotilla Leader

TrickiVic Forumini Lieutenant Posts: 719	#S5 HMS Southampton now Gloucester - Done Jan 28, 2023 7:55:12 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by TrickiVic on Jan 28, 2023 7:55:12 GMT Sorry, out of the loop. Why the change to HMS Southampton?
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flakstruk Deck E developer Posts: 9,695	#S5 HMS Southampton now Gloucester - Done Jan 29, 2023 3:30:56 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flakstruk on Jan 29, 2023 3:30:56 GMT There was concern that Manchester was a bit so so with regards to its history

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#S5 HMS Southampton now Gloucester - Done Jan 29, 2023 21:30:08 GMT

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Post by gaz01 on Jan 29, 2023 21:30:08 GMT

Yeah regarding the towns, this thread and the overall list thread have references to the discussions. Southampton being class leader and better known for being so, Manchester's overall chequered history plus a nod to the latter having a seas ablaze card (which I couldn't remember for certain).

Also just checking Southampton's still going to have a flag on it?

DD killers no problem, would have preferred a cruiser leading ability over destroyer leader but can live with it.

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#S5 HMS Southampton now Gloucester - Done Jan 31, 2023 0:03:08 GMT

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Post by au64 on Jan 31, 2023 0:03:08 GMT

Instead of switching to the Southampton (which I'm not entirely opposed to), why not go with the HMS Gloucester and stay with the same subclass of Town Cruisers? We have the Southampton class already represented with the Sheffield, while the Gloucester class is not yet represented.

The Gloucester was referred to as the "Fighting G" and earned 5 battle stars in just one year.

Just a thought and question....

TrickiVic Forumini Lieutenant Posts: 719	#S5 HMS Southampton now Gloucester - Done Jan 31, 2023 3:19:01 GMT via mobile Theaetetus likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by TrickiVic on Jan 31, 2023 3:19:01 GMT This feels like a Jamaica clone with Flotilla Leader and all the attack values. Just a thought. But what if Established Screen and Cruiser Leader as SA?
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#S5 HMS Southampton now Gloucester - Done Jan 31, 2023 5:16:11 GMT

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Post by flakstruk on Jan 31, 2023 5:16:11 GMT

Jan 31, 2023 0:03:08 GMT au64 said:

Instead of switching to the Southampton (which I'm not entirely opposed to), why not go with the HMS Gloucester and stay with the same subclass of Town Cruisers? We have the Southampton class already represented with the Sheffield, while the Gloucester class is not yet represented.

The Gloucester was referred to as the "Fighting G" and earned 5 battle stars in just one year.

Just a thought and question....

Picks were from Sparaventio

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#S5 HMS Southampton now Gloucester - Done Jan 31, 2023 5:17:41 GMT

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Post by flakstruk on Jan 31, 2023 5:17:41 GMT

Jan 31, 2023 3:19:01 GMT TrickiVic said:

This feels like a Jamaica clone with Flotilla Leader and all the attack values.

Just a thought. But what if Established Screen and Cruiser Leader as SA?

Crown colony class was derived from the towns. I think this was intended as the less bells and whistles flotilla-leader version

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#S5 HMS Southampton now Gloucester - Done Jan 31, 2023 18:05:12 GMT

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Post by TrickiVic on Jan 31, 2023 18:05:12 GMT

Jan 31, 2023 5:17:41 GMT flakstruk said:

Jan 31, 2023 3:19:01 GMT TrickiVic said:

This feels like a Jamaica clone with Flotilla Leader and all the attack values.

Just a thought. But what if Established Screen and Cruiser Leader as SA?

Crown colony class was derived from the towns. I think this was intended as the less bells and whistles flotilla-leader version

Okay, so Southampton should be a bit cheaper version. I can get behind it. 12-13 pts ( I assume roughly, obviously no confirmation yet)

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#S5 HMS Southampton now Gloucester - Done Feb 1, 2023 14:58:04 GMT

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Post by gaz01 on Feb 1, 2023 14:58:04 GMT

Yeah, it was a case of the towns at Sparaventio. I'm surprised we've not had a second Town before now and Glasgow would probably have been the next logical in a straight vote. I'm happy with Southampton though and would prefer cruiser leader too, though this might come back to what flag it gets as well. Establish screen then would look better in that setting.

I do see Southampton as more representative and symbolic as a leader of cruisers over DD's and there is more of a gap for that.

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#S5 HMS Southampton now Gloucester - Done Feb 2, 2023 0:02:49 GMT

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Post by au64 on Feb 2, 2023 0:02:49 GMT

I like Cruiser Leader and Establish Screen, without a flag.

HMS Southampton
Ship Cruiser 1939
Speed 2
MG 8 7 7 6
SG 4 3 3
AA 7
TT 2 1 1

A4 V9 H3
Cruiser Leader - While you control another Cruiser, you get +1 initiative
Establish Screen - Choose one local or adjacent Cruiser or Destroyer. After both fleets are deployed, this unit and the chosen unit can move one sector

Same Abilities as the French Duquesne (12 pts), but with worse mains, seconds, better AA, better armor.

Very good Sparavento scenario feeling...

So 13-14 points?

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#S5 HMS Southampton now Gloucester - Done Feb 2, 2023 1:31:31 GMT

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Post by flakstruk on Feb 2, 2023 1:31:31 GMT

That duplicates jamaica's chase +flotilla leader. Cruiser leader is the same issue.

I'd be inclined to just give it flotilla leader.

If we're keen to be clever Raider Leader, +1 initiative for destroyer or cruiser up to 3.

TrickiVic Forumini Lieutenant Posts: 719	#S5 HMS Southampton now Gloucester - Done Feb 4, 2023 3:45:47 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by TrickiVic on Feb 4, 2023 3:45:47 GMT Having Flotilla Leader is fine by me
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#S5 HMS Southampton now Gloucester - Done

Post by joshuphigh on Jan 10, 2023 18:28:27 GMT

Post by TrickiVic on Jan 12, 2023 2:22:12 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Jan 28, 2023 6:28:04 GMT

Post by TrickiVic on Jan 28, 2023 7:55:12 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Jan 29, 2023 3:30:56 GMT

Post by gaz01 on Jan 29, 2023 21:30:08 GMT

Post by au64 on Jan 31, 2023 0:03:08 GMT

Post by TrickiVic on Jan 31, 2023 3:19:01 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Jan 31, 2023 5:16:11 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Jan 31, 2023 5:17:41 GMT

Post by TrickiVic on Jan 31, 2023 18:05:12 GMT

Post by gaz01 on Feb 1, 2023 14:58:04 GMT

Post by au64 on Feb 2, 2023 0:02:49 GMT

Post by flakstruk on Feb 2, 2023 1:31:31 GMT

Post by TrickiVic on Feb 4, 2023 3:45:47 GMT

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