Why do the grognards hate WAS ?

Because there is no $49.99 version with 150 2d mini's is what I guess.

People I know just can't play w/o me and my $$$$$ of ships so they don't play as often.

Two kinds of gamers; the Board gamers and the Miniature gamers;

  I think your either born into miniatures or you take a small step.

The die hard type are Napoleonic's; Civil War; Warhammer; and as of late WW2; Flames of War; Bolt Action and tons of other rule sets. ETC.

  So Air Games and and WW2 sea games take a back stage to begin with.

If your that die hard type something like Seekrieg or Naval Thunder is probably your boat; I'd rather play Russian Roulette.

  Axis and Allies has always had that air of abstract simple toy like game mechanics and visuals.

I really think RB took the Axis and Allies name with War at Sea and the Land game closer to the hard core;; but really not close enough.

  I'm not a player that likes games where you need an encyclopedia to see the realism in it; If you designed a game with a small book of rules

that plays well it's good enough me, other wise i'm going back to Russian Roulette. 

  Hard core is what hard core is, if you need 4 hours to make a turn and a half and the game master may be the only one who seems to know the rules;;

How could you ever like War at Sea unless a divine light just filled your head.

   

I'm that;; both board games and miniature games".... and play strictly Historical board and miniature games and refuse to play fantasy.

  When it comes to Magic and Pokiman cards a chill runs up and down my spine, i've got to hide my guns.

Another thing about hard core mini players is that they love the aesthetics of the battle field;; terrain and such, hard to do with Naval Games

 A reason i think some of us love to paint our ships with purpose.

You’ve got to realize, if you didn’t get in on the ground floor of the game or spend a lot on the secondary market then you’re looking at just two kinds of setups.

One setup you got in late and Set V just came out, or Surface Action just came out. You have a lot of those pieces and were able to get Flank Speed and Condition Zebra retroactively. This is the better situation of the two.

The worse setup is that you missed 5 and 6, and your collection consists of Flank Speed and Condition Zebra. When you look at the set lists for those, there aren’t many competitive pieces (Helldiver) or iconic pieces (Nagato?!?) in there. From that perspective, the game is much more blah from a play standpoint and also less “sexy” from a memorable unit standpoint than the one we are used to.

It’s also a trendy thing to dislike something you are passionate about if there is nitpicking to do. I read a book this summer that did only that about the most popular sci fi movies ever.

I love the guys that somehow think taking 15 minutes to weigh the pros and cons of certain actions somehow think they're simulating a battle. Like a fleet commander would have that kind of time.

I also like to ask these guys for a system that has a decent air and sub component. Crickets every time