Post by waratsea4 on May 8, 2018 2:39:49 GMT
Just received my decks a few days ago;; Have to thank Rival Sky Games no one better to deal with since 12-7 games.
There is a post on likes and dislikes by Ticat1;; He wouldn't allow me to post any dislikes so I just had tooo!!!
I tended to grade the units on the higher side because lets face it the Teams are good at this.
1-- The new nations;; Brazil and Turkey;; --- GRADE B
Really to subjective to say if the game really needed them; comparable likenesses;
Warning tetanus shot needed before handling
Yavuz -- Oktyabrskaya Revolutsia - Courbet
Sultanhisar -- ZG3
Minas Gerais -- Schlesien
Marcilio Dias -- Electra
Tupi -- Ambra
How do you think the Team did here ??
2-- Canada;; GRADE A
Hurricane -- Fighter Bombers; Good for Canada good for the game;; Its the first lower cost in its field [land]
3-- France;; Grade B+
D-551 -- Everything the D-520 should have been; Some may not be big fans of Interceptor; BUT
when you add Escort i love it more;; --- GRADE A
Guepard -- Close to the Aigle class take a look at Milan; nice new SA for France DD Leader --- GRADE B+
D' Urville -- Not Many DD's out there with no Torpedo Attack this deck has 3 I think the blend of Cost 6 and
a 2-7-2 defensive line make it interesting. ---- GRADE B
Painleve;; -- At first i thought it was a bust; because if France at this time is going to have these carriers it should have its own planes;
Well a closer look at Joffre i guess you could say IT could, so the Painleve is for the FF, who some how make a carrier but just
in case not their own planes we get Operations SA's; I think the failure here is no LN 401 this deck
Just imagine a french carrier fleet with BR 810's -- Ln401's and D551;; Don't you just love fantasy
GRADE B;; only because it to much Fantasy
St Louis;; -- We have Algerie;; can't complain how the unit turned out; But for me GRADE C
To much fantasy for me
4-- Greece;; -- Blenheim;; GRADE B
Why; because it fills out Greece with its own PB and although the attack values aren't scary the SA's could be
5 -- Netherlands;; -- GRADE A Both units have brought something new to their nation
Why;; Ms 019;; how has the K-21 and Luigi Torelli done for the game;; take a look and now we get mines
MV Macoma;; Auxiliary's are nice part of game and air detachments are always welcome.
6-- New Zealand;; -- Kiwi -- GRADE C
Why;; there were more impressive units especially in the air game for NZ and i guess it depends on how much you like M1--Type 13 units.
7-- Poland;; Piorun-- GRADE A
Come on who doesn't like the Nizam;;its a nice Polish addition.
8-- UK;; GRADE B
Fulmar MKI -- Meteor -- GRADE C -
We have the MK II and some may but i don't like Shadow on a Fighter i don't think that was the intended unit for the SA
Jets to me are not for this game; why such a high mark the ME 262 needs a dancing partner.
Argus -- Implacable -- GRADE A
Argus was done smart with the Detachment SA;; might be a stretch with Cover 5;; but makes it useful.
Implacable rounds out the Expert Abilities and BWF on a CV is interesting.
Achilles -- Edinburgh -- GRADE A
Come on we all have been waiting to find out who will win at the River Plate;; now the UK just might
Like Belfast the beast wasn't enough; I see a lot of double trouble here.
Temeraire -- GRADE A
Being part of a pretty hairy go around with the Team I think they nailed it
Clyde -- GRADE C
Why;; Its defensive line is strong; but i don't think it lives up to the impact Salmon and Upholder had on the game; better spent on another T class
Acasta -- GRADE C+
Why;; only because this unit isn't scaring anyone but she brings low cost smoke to the UK in the likes of a Butler but tougher
Melbourne Star -- GRADE B
Finally the UK has a Vital Cargo of its own and a nice Convoy Scenario SA.
9-- USN;; GRADE B
The DD's;; GRADE B What do you give to someone who has everything??
England; is it a better pick for the point than Roberts;;
Taney; nice unit good Convoy piece but like England to many better for a point.
Sterett; Could easily have been a first USN DD candidate for a Torpedo Run type SA, something a little better than a failed BB torpedo attack.
The Cruisers;; GRADE B
Would have given them an A if either one had Escort Killer or likeness.
F2A-3;; At the least it can land on a carrier and we are keeping up with the 'Claudes' GRADE C
Belleau Wood;; GRADE A
We upped the Armor and gave it Expert Torpedo; Although they are CAP 2 its an American Iconic Class FDR's babies
Mackerel;; GRADE B I know we are looking for some different;;
Still think a low cost S class with positive SA's is a way to go; or another Gato/Balao showing how good they were later in the war
Constellation;; GRADE B
Why;; Because to some its indispensable and to others its just to unreal so the truth lies somewhere in the middle
10-- Russia;; GRADE B
K-3;; GRADE B +
This adds a lot to the Russian sub fleet comparing her to the other 10pt subs in this deck she has a little better blend of defensive line with attack values.
Voroshilov;; GRADE B
I think the cost is going to hurt a little here, unless you want to get the old buggies moving; Molotov for me.
Sovetskaya Ukranina;; GRADE B
Deja vu Again 6 point hulls again between the haves and haves not the true lays in-between
Valerian Kubishev;; GRADE C+
why;; she's not replacing any Soviet DD's in the game; but she is the first with sub hunter.
MBT-2;; GRADE C+
why;; she's got a lot of options; but a not of a lot of punch; if you want it for sub threat there's better Soviet options
11-- The Neutrals;; Spain and Sweden;; GRADE B
FFVS J22;; I think she fits somewhere between a Hurricane and Spitfire GRADE B
C2;; Always nice to have a nation get its first; not many 3-5-2 8pt subs in the game GRADE B
AXIS
12 -- The Minors;; GRADE B- Finland -- Romania -- Thailand
Finland;; Hameenmaa;; Grade C -- First DD a plus with some nice SAS's; is it Findland's answer to the CW's Sackville
Romania;; Stuka;; Grade A; I'm changing the roundel to German need you say more
Dacia;; GRADE C; Don't really see were this does much for Romania or the game
Thailand;; Taksin Grade C+ Fantasy but it brings something interesting to Thailand
13 -- Germany;; GRADE B
Cerberus Scharnhorst;; GRADE A
Because thats the way to do an Operational Unit
River Plate Graf Spee;; GRADE D
Because I hate no matter how hard to obsolete Originals; it can be done though.
Atlantikwall;; GRADE A
Love the SA Atlantic Wall and i believe it holds some keys for future German Installations
Seydlitz;; GRADE B +
Nice idea to keep cost low extra range on Torpedo helps added something new to class
Jaguar;; GRADE B
Nice addition adds flexibility to the DD choices last major nation to get a 6pt. DD, range 2 Torpedo first for 1939
ME 410 B-5;; Grade B
1945 is the only thing that hurts this, SM79 has been a player favorite and this is better
Komet;; GRADE C+
Flag and RO SA makes her a team player, better with other raiders than alone new niche nice.
U-549;; GRADE B
Great later war sub SA's formidable probably replace U-66 in late builds
14 -- Italy;; GRADE B
Cape Teulada Bolzano;; GRADE D
Controversial yes;; i wouldn't do Operational Units this way as with RP Graf Spee trash can units for me
Francesco Caracciolo;; GRADE B
Nice pt. range for an Italian BB something to take on Repulse - Renown
The DD's;; GRADE B+
Alfred Oriani ;; Best 6pt DD in Italian Fleet GRADE B
Comandante Roscana;; Arguably one of the best 7 pointers in the game only draw back never completed. GRADE B +
Z-511 -- Elite C202 Folgore;; GRADE B+
Italy's Z-511 just enter the world of the Mariner--Emily--Wellington--Junker88 late war but a good PB GRADE B+
Elite C 202 is a nice idea brings a lot to the Italians,guess you could argue seems a point low GRADE B +
Atropo;; GRADE C+
Fourth 10 pt. sub this deck, new sub SA's for Italy low top attack for 10 pts. real decision maker.
MV Pietro Orseolo; GRADE C+
Italy joins the Vital Cargo group, Scenario possibilities are growing.
15 -- IJN;; GRADE C+
The Carriers;; GRADE C
Ryuho; GRADE C
Its war record was no great shakes, but as made its no great shakes to Japan; CAP 1's need a purpose this has none.
MI Akagi; GRADE C
Not a believer in doing Operational units this way, to its credit it did not obsolete the original;
I see weakness in losing its best attack Torpedo for a more defensive carrier; still a believer RB was looking at History with its Hull 4
A-GO Mogambi;; Grade B
Is this a refit in the likeness of ISE; Its cost keeps it in line with the Tone after 1942
Isuzu;; GRADE C
At its cost i really can't see much use or for that matter most IJN CL's
I -168;; GRADE C
A Different kind of IJN Sub; still see limited use
The Planes;; GRADE B-
C6N1 Myrt; GRADE B
Innovation; want to add 5pts on a carrier for Shadow
Eliten D3A2 Val;; GRADE C+
Are players going to give up Press the Attack and spend a point for OPG preroll and Skilled Dive; is the point worth it??
A6M3; Hamp;; GRADE C+
Unit good; yes but i would have given up Agility for a 7point plane; at 8 pts. not an overwhelming decision maker for all the other Zero's
The DD's;; GRADE C+
Samidare;; Pretty much do to its redundant core values and cost it will see use based on SA needs Happy USN DD hunting GRADE C+
Takanami;; Nothing special here but it is nice to always have a LL bonus GRADE C+
As I stated Teams do the cards very well; its a matter of how it fits your game or your perspective on how RB's units should to advanced.
Ive always believed if your going to tackle an Original and make it creditable its not a Persons or a Teams decision it should be the FORUM'S.
There is a post on likes and dislikes by Ticat1;; He wouldn't allow me to post any dislikes so I just had tooo!!!
I tended to grade the units on the higher side because lets face it the Teams are good at this.
1-- The new nations;; Brazil and Turkey;; --- GRADE B
Really to subjective to say if the game really needed them; comparable likenesses;
Warning tetanus shot needed before handling
Yavuz -- Oktyabrskaya Revolutsia - Courbet
Sultanhisar -- ZG3
Minas Gerais -- Schlesien
Marcilio Dias -- Electra
Tupi -- Ambra
How do you think the Team did here ??
2-- Canada;; GRADE A
Hurricane -- Fighter Bombers; Good for Canada good for the game;; Its the first lower cost in its field [land]
3-- France;; Grade B+
D-551 -- Everything the D-520 should have been; Some may not be big fans of Interceptor; BUT
when you add Escort i love it more;; --- GRADE A
Guepard -- Close to the Aigle class take a look at Milan; nice new SA for France DD Leader --- GRADE B+
D' Urville -- Not Many DD's out there with no Torpedo Attack this deck has 3 I think the blend of Cost 6 and
a 2-7-2 defensive line make it interesting. ---- GRADE B
Painleve;; -- At first i thought it was a bust; because if France at this time is going to have these carriers it should have its own planes;
Well a closer look at Joffre i guess you could say IT could, so the Painleve is for the FF, who some how make a carrier but just
in case not their own planes we get Operations SA's; I think the failure here is no LN 401 this deck
Just imagine a french carrier fleet with BR 810's -- Ln401's and D551;; Don't you just love fantasy
GRADE B;; only because it to much Fantasy
St Louis;; -- We have Algerie;; can't complain how the unit turned out; But for me GRADE C
To much fantasy for me
4-- Greece;; -- Blenheim;; GRADE B
Why; because it fills out Greece with its own PB and although the attack values aren't scary the SA's could be
5 -- Netherlands;; -- GRADE A Both units have brought something new to their nation
Why;; Ms 019;; how has the K-21 and Luigi Torelli done for the game;; take a look and now we get mines
MV Macoma;; Auxiliary's are nice part of game and air detachments are always welcome.
6-- New Zealand;; -- Kiwi -- GRADE C
Why;; there were more impressive units especially in the air game for NZ and i guess it depends on how much you like M1--Type 13 units.
7-- Poland;; Piorun-- GRADE A
Come on who doesn't like the Nizam;;its a nice Polish addition.
8-- UK;; GRADE B
Fulmar MKI -- Meteor -- GRADE C -
We have the MK II and some may but i don't like Shadow on a Fighter i don't think that was the intended unit for the SA
Jets to me are not for this game; why such a high mark the ME 262 needs a dancing partner.
Argus -- Implacable -- GRADE A
Argus was done smart with the Detachment SA;; might be a stretch with Cover 5;; but makes it useful.
Implacable rounds out the Expert Abilities and BWF on a CV is interesting.
Achilles -- Edinburgh -- GRADE A
Come on we all have been waiting to find out who will win at the River Plate;; now the UK just might
Like Belfast the beast wasn't enough; I see a lot of double trouble here.
Temeraire -- GRADE A
Being part of a pretty hairy go around with the Team I think they nailed it
Clyde -- GRADE C
Why;; Its defensive line is strong; but i don't think it lives up to the impact Salmon and Upholder had on the game; better spent on another T class
Acasta -- GRADE C+
Why;; only because this unit isn't scaring anyone but she brings low cost smoke to the UK in the likes of a Butler but tougher
Melbourne Star -- GRADE B
Finally the UK has a Vital Cargo of its own and a nice Convoy Scenario SA.
9-- USN;; GRADE B
The DD's;; GRADE B What do you give to someone who has everything??
England; is it a better pick for the point than Roberts;;
Taney; nice unit good Convoy piece but like England to many better for a point.
Sterett; Could easily have been a first USN DD candidate for a Torpedo Run type SA, something a little better than a failed BB torpedo attack.
The Cruisers;; GRADE B
Would have given them an A if either one had Escort Killer or likeness.
F2A-3;; At the least it can land on a carrier and we are keeping up with the 'Claudes' GRADE C
Belleau Wood;; GRADE A
We upped the Armor and gave it Expert Torpedo; Although they are CAP 2 its an American Iconic Class FDR's babies
Mackerel;; GRADE B I know we are looking for some different;;
Still think a low cost S class with positive SA's is a way to go; or another Gato/Balao showing how good they were later in the war
Constellation;; GRADE B
Why;; Because to some its indispensable and to others its just to unreal so the truth lies somewhere in the middle
10-- Russia;; GRADE B
K-3;; GRADE B +
This adds a lot to the Russian sub fleet comparing her to the other 10pt subs in this deck she has a little better blend of defensive line with attack values.
Voroshilov;; GRADE B
I think the cost is going to hurt a little here, unless you want to get the old buggies moving; Molotov for me.
Sovetskaya Ukranina;; GRADE B
Deja vu Again 6 point hulls again between the haves and haves not the true lays in-between
Valerian Kubishev;; GRADE C+
why;; she's not replacing any Soviet DD's in the game; but she is the first with sub hunter.
MBT-2;; GRADE C+
why;; she's got a lot of options; but a not of a lot of punch; if you want it for sub threat there's better Soviet options
11-- The Neutrals;; Spain and Sweden;; GRADE B
FFVS J22;; I think she fits somewhere between a Hurricane and Spitfire GRADE B
C2;; Always nice to have a nation get its first; not many 3-5-2 8pt subs in the game GRADE B
AXIS
12 -- The Minors;; GRADE B- Finland -- Romania -- Thailand
Finland;; Hameenmaa;; Grade C -- First DD a plus with some nice SAS's; is it Findland's answer to the CW's Sackville
Romania;; Stuka;; Grade A; I'm changing the roundel to German need you say more
Dacia;; GRADE C; Don't really see were this does much for Romania or the game
Thailand;; Taksin Grade C+ Fantasy but it brings something interesting to Thailand
13 -- Germany;; GRADE B
Cerberus Scharnhorst;; GRADE A
Because thats the way to do an Operational Unit
River Plate Graf Spee;; GRADE D
Because I hate no matter how hard to obsolete Originals; it can be done though.
Atlantikwall;; GRADE A
Love the SA Atlantic Wall and i believe it holds some keys for future German Installations
Seydlitz;; GRADE B +
Nice idea to keep cost low extra range on Torpedo helps added something new to class
Jaguar;; GRADE B
Nice addition adds flexibility to the DD choices last major nation to get a 6pt. DD, range 2 Torpedo first for 1939
ME 410 B-5;; Grade B
1945 is the only thing that hurts this, SM79 has been a player favorite and this is better
Komet;; GRADE C+
Flag and RO SA makes her a team player, better with other raiders than alone new niche nice.
U-549;; GRADE B
Great later war sub SA's formidable probably replace U-66 in late builds
14 -- Italy;; GRADE B
Cape Teulada Bolzano;; GRADE D
Controversial yes;; i wouldn't do Operational Units this way as with RP Graf Spee trash can units for me
Francesco Caracciolo;; GRADE B
Nice pt. range for an Italian BB something to take on Repulse - Renown
The DD's;; GRADE B+
Alfred Oriani ;; Best 6pt DD in Italian Fleet GRADE B
Comandante Roscana;; Arguably one of the best 7 pointers in the game only draw back never completed. GRADE B +
Z-511 -- Elite C202 Folgore;; GRADE B+
Italy's Z-511 just enter the world of the Mariner--Emily--Wellington--Junker88 late war but a good PB GRADE B+
Elite C 202 is a nice idea brings a lot to the Italians,guess you could argue seems a point low GRADE B +
Atropo;; GRADE C+
Fourth 10 pt. sub this deck, new sub SA's for Italy low top attack for 10 pts. real decision maker.
MV Pietro Orseolo; GRADE C+
Italy joins the Vital Cargo group, Scenario possibilities are growing.
15 -- IJN;; GRADE C+
The Carriers;; GRADE C
Ryuho; GRADE C
Its war record was no great shakes, but as made its no great shakes to Japan; CAP 1's need a purpose this has none.
MI Akagi; GRADE C
Not a believer in doing Operational units this way, to its credit it did not obsolete the original;
I see weakness in losing its best attack Torpedo for a more defensive carrier; still a believer RB was looking at History with its Hull 4
A-GO Mogambi;; Grade B
Is this a refit in the likeness of ISE; Its cost keeps it in line with the Tone after 1942
Isuzu;; GRADE C
At its cost i really can't see much use or for that matter most IJN CL's
I -168;; GRADE C
A Different kind of IJN Sub; still see limited use
The Planes;; GRADE B-
C6N1 Myrt; GRADE B
Innovation; want to add 5pts on a carrier for Shadow
Eliten D3A2 Val;; GRADE C+
Are players going to give up Press the Attack and spend a point for OPG preroll and Skilled Dive; is the point worth it??
A6M3; Hamp;; GRADE C+
Unit good; yes but i would have given up Agility for a 7point plane; at 8 pts. not an overwhelming decision maker for all the other Zero's
The DD's;; GRADE C+
Samidare;; Pretty much do to its redundant core values and cost it will see use based on SA needs Happy USN DD hunting GRADE C+
Takanami;; Nothing special here but it is nice to always have a LL bonus GRADE C+
As I stated Teams do the cards very well; its a matter of how it fits your game or your perspective on how RB's units should to advanced.
Ive always believed if your going to tackle an Original and make it creditable its not a Persons or a Teams decision it should be the FORUM'S.
