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Questions for Deck E Designers Apr 28, 2018 17:40:30 GMT

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Post by CptHellcat on Apr 28, 2018 17:40:30 GMT

I got my Deck E a few days ago and like the previous ones, it looks great. Awesome job continuing to keep WaS afloat. I have questions for the design team on a few units that I had already created custom cards for. For the most part the stats line up and the SAs differ which is fine since SAs are more subjective and several possibilities exist for each unit. Overall your research as a team is probably more thorough than what I've done by myself.

USS Belleau Wood

Armor: 5 - I read the flavor text and the info in the preview that the later Independence class CVLs kept the CA armor belt. I can't find this info anywhere - can you provide a reference source?
AA: 6 - makes more sense than to me than AA 8 for other Indy class CVLs. Do you think the others should also be AA6?

USS Sterett

Torps: 2/2/-/- vs. my 2/2/2/- as representative of the Benham class, but I saw that some ships, including Sterett, had torps reduced from 16x21" to 8x21". Good catch.

I-168

Torps: 3/2/2/- vs. my 3/2/2/1 - we both have loadout as 6x21" TT, 14 torps. This is essentially the same loadout as the B1 class (6x21" TT, 17 torps) which all have 3/2/2/1. Why did you decide to remove the range 3 torp?

Takanami

Torps: 2/2/1/1 vs. my 3/3/2/1 - we both have loadout as 8x24" TT. Why are torps reduced from other DDs w same loaddout, including Samidare in Deck E? Did Takanami carry less torps or have some other deficiency?

Thanks for any insight you can give!

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Questions for Deck E Designers Apr 28, 2018 19:21:23 GMT via mobile

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Post by ticat1 on Apr 28, 2018 19:21:23 GMT

For 1-168 at the time of Midway, it was using earlier mark torpedoes that didn't have the range of the newer torps. I can give you the types of torp, a bit later.

For Takanami it was entirely to nerf torpedo swarm a bit.

Average sector has 2 units so you'd torp one with 2 dice and the other with 1. Still 3 at range 0 and 1. We took our cue from Suzuya which has the same arrangement.

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Questions for Deck E Designers Apr 30, 2018 2:22:11 GMT

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Post by CptHellcat on Apr 30, 2018 2:22:11 GMT

Apr 28, 2018 19:21:23 GMT ticat1 said:

For 1-168 at the time of Midway, it was using earlier mark torpedoes that didn't have the range of the newer torps. I can give you the types of torp, a bit later.

For Takanami it was entirely to nerf torpedo swarm a bit.

Average sector has 2 units so you'd torp one with 2 dice and the other with 1. Still 3 at range 0 and 1. We took our cue from Suzuya which has the same arrangement.

OK, that makes sense for playability of Takanami considering the torp loadout and Torp Swarm. I have it with Long Lance, Shore Support and Torpedo Run.

If you can find the info on I-168's torps that'd be great.

Any info on Belleau Wood's armor belt? Instead of increasing Armor to 5, I might give mine an Armored Belt SA that gives it +1 vs. Gunnery, that way it'd still be Armor 4 vs. Bombs.

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Questions for Deck E Designers Apr 30, 2018 2:56:34 GMT

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Post by ticat1 on Apr 30, 2018 2:56:34 GMT

The more widely used Sub torpedo at the beginning of the war and including Midway, was the Type 89 which had a range of 6,050 yards. That was replaced by the Sub version of the Long Lance torp, the Type 95 with a range of 9,900 yards.

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Questions for Deck E Designers Apr 30, 2018 9:19:24 GMT

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Post by mnnorthstars on Apr 30, 2018 9:19:24 GMT

This is from Conway’s All the World’s Fighting Ships 1922-1946.

Armour: belt 5in armour deck 2in
Text: “it was necessary, therefore, to replace the ‘Class A’ armour of the cruiser with ‘Class B’, which could be welded to the new bulge. Delays in providing the latter caused the first two ships to be competed with no side armour at all.”

Independence and Princeton were the first two ships, and Belleau Wood was next. By the way, the Illustrious-class carriers at 5/11/4 had 4.5” belt and 3” flight deck armor.

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Questions for Deck E Designers May 1, 2018 0:08:25 GMT

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Post by CptHellcat on May 1, 2018 0:08:25 GMT

Apr 30, 2018 2:56:34 GMT ticat1 said:

The more widely used Sub torpedo at the beginning of the war and including Midway, was the Type 89 which had a range of 6,050 yards. That was replaced by the Sub version of the Long Lance torp, the Type 95 with a range of 9,900 yards.

Thanks. So technically all Japanese subs should lose the range 3 torp then right? And the Type 89 would only be range 1.

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Questions for Deck E Designers May 1, 2018 0:10:46 GMT

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Post by CptHellcat on May 1, 2018 0:10:46 GMT

Apr 30, 2018 9:19:24 GMT mnnorthstars said:

This is from Conway’s All the World’s Fighting Ships 1922-1946.

Armour: belt 5in armour deck 2in
Text: “it was necessary, therefore, to replace the ‘Class A’ armour of the cruiser with ‘Class B’, which could be welded to the new bulge. Delays in providing the latter caused the first two ships to be competed with no side armour at all.”

Independence and Princeton were the first two ships, and Belleau Wood was next. By the way, the Illustrious-class carriers at 5/11/4 had 4.5” belt and 3” flight deck armor.

Thanks man! Armor 5 it is then! Hmm, maybe the 1st two should be lowered to armor 3.

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Questions for Deck E Designers May 1, 2018 2:57:08 GMT

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Post by CptHellcat on May 1, 2018 2:57:08 GMT

May 1, 2018 0:08:25 GMT CptHellcat said:

Apr 30, 2018 2:56:34 GMT ticat1 said:

The more widely used Sub torpedo at the beginning of the war and including Midway, was the Type 89 which had a range of 6,050 yards. That was replaced by the Sub version of the Long Lance torp, the Type 95 with a range of 9,900 yards.

Thanks. So technically all Japanese subs should lose the range 3 torp then right? And the Type 89 would only be range 1.

OK I found more info on these torps.

Type 89 - 10,900 yds at 35kt
Type 95 - 13,100 yds at 45-47kt

So this lines up with ranges of 2 & 3. the shorter ranges of 6000 & 10k yds were where the torps still had maximum velocity.

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Questions for Deck E Designers May 2, 2018 13:53:42 GMT

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Post by Swizzle on May 2, 2018 13:53:42 GMT

May 1, 2018 0:08:25 GMT CptHellcat said:

Apr 30, 2018 2:56:34 GMT ticat1 said:

The more widely used Sub torpedo at the beginning of the war and including Midway, was the Type 89 which had a range of 6,050 yards. That was replaced by the Sub version of the Long Lance torp, the Type 95 with a range of 9,900 yards.

Thanks. So technically all Japanese subs should lose the range 3 torp then right? And the Type 89 would only be range 1.

6,000 yards is further than range 1, so I would leave it at range 2. Unless you want to go through every single torp for every single country and round all of them downward. (Not all ships 2 hexes away are 10,000 yards away!)

Also, "technically" all Japanese subs had a longer range shot than other country's subs once they got the new torpedoes. If you want to cut their costs and reduce their range for your local group, go for it.

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Questions for Deck E Designers May 6, 2018 22:16:03 GMT Swizzle likes this

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Post by weedsrock2 on May 6, 2018 22:16:03 GMT

You would have to go through the refit history of every pre-war built IJN sub and determine what year they were refit to take the oxygen torpedoes. Thankfully (IMO) we do not get year specific with ship configurations except in extreme cases like the Ise and Mogami hybrids. The specific game-niche for the I-168 was to give the IJN a good fleet submarine without the cost penalty of the range 3 torpedoes. It turned out the operational history supported that quite well with I-168. It could just as easily have been done with the oxygen torpedoes it got later, but it would have been just another I-19/I-25/I-26 clone.

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Questions for Deck E Designers

Post by CptHellcat on Apr 28, 2018 17:40:30 GMT

Post by ticat1 on Apr 28, 2018 19:21:23 GMT

Post by mnnorthstars on Apr 28, 2018 19:29:41 GMT

Post by CptHellcat on Apr 30, 2018 2:22:11 GMT

Post by ticat1 on Apr 30, 2018 2:56:34 GMT

Post by mnnorthstars on Apr 30, 2018 9:12:38 GMT

Post by mnnorthstars on Apr 30, 2018 9:19:24 GMT

Post by CptHellcat on May 1, 2018 0:08:25 GMT

Post by CptHellcat on May 1, 2018 0:10:46 GMT

Post by CptHellcat on May 1, 2018 2:57:08 GMT

Post by Swizzle on May 2, 2018 13:53:42 GMT

Post by weedsrock2 on May 6, 2018 22:16:03 GMT

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